The Legends of Ultimate Homes

The Manor from Unique Homes 2017 Ultimate issue.

Photo courtesy Hilton & Hyland.

As we mark the 17th “Ultimate” edition of Unique Homes, we look back at the exceptional properties and agents who have been a part of the annual celebration of the most expensive real estate in the U.S.

Over the 50 years since the first issue of Unique Homes rolled off the presses, countless estates have graced our cover. Hundreds have captured a top position on Ultimate Homes’ list of the most expensive, but only a very few are real estate legends. Trackback through record-setting sales and property listings, and a handful of properties filter to the top, including an equally select cadre of real estate agents.

What destines a property for legendary status? Rarity, provenance, architecture, land and location all play a role. “We have represented and sold many properties that are above and beyond, but what makes them legendary is the architecture and the history of the property, including notable prior owners, location, and the property amenities that set the bar for other luxury properties,” explains Judy Zeder, a member of the Jills Zeder Group (along with Jill Eber and Jill Hertzberg) with Coldwell Banker Realty in Miami.

“What truly makes an incredible luxury property is that it’s something that someone else would never have. It’s not just another house with a different material feature,” shares Shari Chase, founder of Chase International Real Estate in the Lake Tahoe/Reno region. “Rarity is huge,” she says, as is “not being bumper to bumper with a lot of mega mansions that are exactly the same.”

The 2016 sale of the Playboy Mansion cracked the $100 million benchmark in L.A. 

Photo by Jim Bartsch.

Owlwood, Pickfair, Le Belvedere, Greenacres and Chartwell: the list of legendary properties that Joyce Rey, who heads Coldwell Banker Global Luxury’s division for Southern California, has sold is only surpassed by the number of accolades she has received over her more than 40-year career. Her sales have achieved price records multiple times, sometimes for the same property. In 1976, she sold the Sonny and Cher mansion for $1.2 million, a record at the time. Two years later, she sold it again for $4.2 million, which surpassed all other prices, setting a new high in the U.S. and worldwide. “It was a really big deal,” she says. “It changed the marketplace.”

The storied history of this property, which was renamed Owlwood to honor owls living in the estate’s towering trees, continues to the present day. The acquisition of neighboring properties and additional acreage over the years enhanced the value. Last offered for sale well above $100 million, it appeared on Unique Homes’ Ultimate list last year at $115 million. It sold in December in an off-market transaction for a reported $88 million.

Once dubbed “the Crown Jewel of Beverly Hills,” Owlwood’s resume includes a number of other high-profile names and celebrities, including Marilyn Monroe.

Ultimate Manhattan? The Tommy Hilfiger penthouse at The Plaza in New York City graced the cover of Ultimate Homes in 2014.
Casa Casuarina, seen here on the Unique Homes Fall 2012 cover, was the home of Italian fashion designer Gianni Versace.

Having a much-loved celebrity often adds to the cachet of a property. “Americans love celebrities,” says Jill Eber. “When a celebrity is comfortable using their name in connection with a property, it really makes a difference. Every home comes with a story and a celebrity’s story just makes it more interesting. A lot of properties are sold by very successful business people and the properties are just gorgeous, but when a home is sold by a celebrity or athlete, buyers are curious and sometimes they are attracted to that cache.”

Few celebrity homes received as much buzz as the Miami Beach mansion owned by the late Gianni Versace. “Everything about the Versace property, known as Casa Casuarina, was fun and exciting,” says Jill Hertzberg, who, along with Eber, sold the property. “It was a totally iconic property known worldwide. Every room was different with the most extraordinary mosaic tile designs throughout. The property was built for fun and entertainment and the buyers who purchased it just loved it! They all jumped into the pool on the day they got it. Standing in front of the mansion with reporters from all over the world is something I will always remember.”

Among our Ultimates, few have generated as much interest as The Manor, dubbed The Spelling Manor when it came to market in 2009 at an unprecedented price of $150 million, eventually selling for a reported $85 million in 2011. The buyer, Petra Ecclestone, daughter of Formula One billionaire Bernie Ecclestone, embarked on an extensive remodel, eventually bringing the estate back on the market in 2016 at $200 million. The 2019 sale price, $119.7 million, set a new, but short-lived, record for Los Angeles. Only a few months later, another legendary property, Chartwell, sold for a reported $150 million, achieving a new benchmark. 

Designed by Sumner Spaulding in 1933, Chartwell, like several other legends, including the Manor, was inspired by French chateaus. Located on 10 acres in Bel Air and surrounded by pristine gardens, it ticks off all the attributes of a legendary estate. Although it is notable for the highest list price, $350 million, in 2017, few other mansions are as familiar to so many. Featured on the 1960s sitcom, The Beverly Hillbillies, it was home to the Clampetts.

It’s worth noting the estate is actually in Bel Air. The Bel Air Hillbillies might not have been as catchy a title as the Beverly Hillbillies, says Gary Gold, with Hilton & Hyland, one of the agents listing the property. Using a home at one address, but identifying it as being in another location in films and television is not unusual, according to Gold. 

Chartwell was listed by a team of agents including Rey and Jade Mills with Coldwell Banker Realty, and Gold and Jeff Hyland with Hilton & Hyland. When prices breach $100 million, it’s not uncommon to have multiple brokerages marketing the property.

“These big sales have many layers of complexity. It can be a trust, a bankruptcy or a probate, and everyone at this level is well represented. And at $100 million, no one is flexible,” explains Gold. Often the team of agents and brokers will divide the tasks depending on their expertise. Gold says he is always 100-percent committed to getting the deal done.

Having brokered the sale of the Playboy Mansion, Gold jokingly refers to himself as the “Roger Bannister of luxury real estate.” Like Bannister’s one-minute mile, the Playboy Mansion smashed the $100 million ceiling in L.A. and opened the door to a number of legendary estates trading at or over $100 million, including Chartwell and The Manor.

“These types of mansions usually come on the market once in a blue moon, once a decade, but recently a number have traded in the last couple of years,” Gold shares.

When it came on the market, the Playboy Mansion received lots of media coverage. Still, when Jade Mills, who represented the buyer, initially saw the property, she wasn’t expecting to find a zoo. The property had “been talked about, but not really the zoo and the peacocks and everything that was there,” she says.

“When I first went there, there were all of the animals, monkeys, peacocks were all over the property — I just thought that it was so amazing that right in the middle of Holmby Hills, you had all those fabulous animals. So, it was just fun to see, and to see the grotto.”

Gold says the number of birds increased over time as local avians decided it was a great place to call home and joined the menagerie.

Another interesting tidbit was an abundance of pushbuttons in this home, sort of a smart home before the era of home tech. For example, push a button and the bed would turn around. The grotto had an array of buttons, all glowing red, and a phone from which you could dial up whatever music you wanted

Foundation of Value

But for legends, it is the amount of land or an impossible-to-replicate location that usually sets them apart. A majority occupy sizable parcels, whether it’s hundreds of acres like Tranquility in Tahoe, or a dozen or less in Bel Air or Holmby Hills. The exception are places such as Malibu, where a setting on the beach is more prized and rarer than acreage.

“Regardless of the condition — like new, falling down or anything in between — each owner puts their heart and soul into these homes,” shares Robert Kinlin, co-owner of Robert Paul Properties, who works with some of the most expensive in Boston and on the Cape. “But a lot of times, people are buying the land and the feeling it evokes when they’re outside walking the property, because you can’t change the land, but you can change the house.”

“The biggest thing you can have with a beautiful estate is Mother Nature,” adds Shari Chase.

When Chase founded her brokerage in 1986, the word “luxury” really wasn’t part of the vocabulary. Instead, she says, “we talked about estates and extraordinary estates, and her tagline was Exceptional Properties for Exceptional People. “I wasn’t going to bother with just any kind of real estate. I only wanted the best, and whether I had one or two or three sales a year, it didn’t matter. I mean, as long as they were fantastic. I think the very first sale was lakefront.” Early on, Chase was involved in what she describes as “the most extraordinary sale we ever had at Tahoe,” the Thunderbird Lodge at a record $50 million. “It held the price record in the entire nation for over 8 years.”

Not often are newly constructed homes destined to become legendary, but Le Belvedere, sited on over 2 acres in Bel Air overlooking the city with a romantic landscape that includes a swan pond, rose gardens and a 280-degree panorama of city lights, is the exception. Over-the-top features such as opulent materials, a ballroom seating 200, a media room seating 50, and a 500-bottle wine cellar, were exceptional when it came on the market in 2009, but the way every detail is executed, the stateliness of the architecture and the sense of harmony from all facets working in perfect sync pushes it from a “stellar property” to a legendary estate.

Le Belvedere, like Tranquility, is also exceptional for its amenities. At that time, shares Rey, “people weren’t building so many of those major theaters. Before that, only those in the industry had large screening rooms.

Rey was involved in the sale of Le Belvedere for $50 million — the highest in the U.S. in 2010 –— and again in 2018 for $56 million.

Amenity Wars

In recent years, there have been a number of newly built for-sale trophy homes, some with list prices stretching current benchmarks. What sets these properties apart is the number of over-the-top features, including curated art installations, stocked wine bars, car collections, an onsite staff and even a helipad. The objective — to include everything someone might want in a home — is aligned with the motives behind the inclusion of extensive amenities in classic estates.

Legendary Redos

No matter how exquisite a property, new owners have a penchant to put their own stamp on it. “I just think that it’s amusing that people must make even, you know, the most expensive, beautiful home — they must make it their own. So sometimes it’s just been remodeled, and then torn completely apart. And they start over,” shares Mills, who brokered the 2019 sale of The Manor. And this practice is not limited to prime estates. Instead, it reaches across the entire price spectrum, whether a house is $1 million or a $100 million.

Few other homes on our annual list have received as much attention as this estate. “The Manor was sort of like no other,” recalls Mills. With 123 rooms and more square footage than the White House, it is one of the largest in Los Angeles. Size and prices generated publicity, but it was the extensive amenities, including gift-wrapping rooms, vast closets, a barber shop, hair salon, bowling alley and nightclub that captured the public’s fancy. There aren’t as many closets as large as the one in the master,” Mills ventures, estimating it to be in the 2,500-square-foot range.”

This story originally appeared in Unique Homes Ultimate ’21. Click here to see the digital version.

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Personalized Pergolas

Cover photo by Scott Selzer.

Customized pergolas bring the best of the indoors out — whether used as an airy yoga studio, home theater, or al fresco living space.

The pergola, an outdoor structure with support beams and a decorative roof design, is a great way to extend living space and increase the amount of time spent outdoors. Providing shade on a hot day, pergolas are traditionally associated with entertaining in the spring, summer or fall. Now, one company’s personalized, high-tech pergola with a fire pit, hanging heaters, and retractable, vinyl screens can extend the outdoor season into Northern winters as well.

StruXure creates custom exterior pergolas with wind, rain, snow, and freeze sensors that automatically activate the pergola to open, close, pivot, and slide. CEO and Chief Product Architect Scott Selzer was a middle school teacher working part time in construction, until he discovered a niche market in the construction industry — the pivoting louvered-roof structure that could be controlled and customized by its users.

The system can be operated through voice commands by integrating technology such as Amazon’s Alexa and Google Assistant. “You’re in control of the weather instead of the weather being in control of you,” Selzer says.

When the weather is warm, the  screens will open to allow fresh air to fill the space. The louvers pivot 170 degrees; open and close the louvers as the sun shifts in the sky to ensure maximum comfort.

“Bringing the indoors out can change the way you live,” Selzer says. “The Pergola X and Cabana X serve as an extension of the home, making it possible to spend more of your life outdoors.”

“To me, a pergola is a really cool, personal space,” Seltzer adds. “I’ll go under my Pergola X with my laptop and it’s a great place to get work done.”

Made from fully extruded aluminum, the structure can be used as a home office, outdoor kitchen, workout area, or an additional living or dining space. Selzer has even created an outdoor home theater, complete with motorized screens, an integrated projector, and stadium seating. “I’ve seen it all,” he says. “If you can think it, you can do it.”

The Cabana X is a freestanding structure that can be taken down at any time and does not need to be professionally installed.

Photo courtesy of Cabana X.

The TraX system allows shades, screens, and lights to be seamlessly integrated into the anatomy of the pergola.

From small patios to large decks, the Pergola X can be a great addition to any outdoor space. This structure was built to open, close, pivot, and slide at the touch of a button.

Photos by Shaye Price.

The TraX system allows shades, screens, and lights to be seamlessly integrated into the anatomy of the pergola. Clients can incorporate curtains, speakers, and ceiling fans as well.

Pergolas can be customized to match any architectural style to ensure the structure will blend effortlessly with the rest of the property. Add corbel ends for a more traditional look, or wrap the columns with rough cut cedar for a rustic, woodsy design.

“By itself, the pergolas look super modern, but you can really customize the product to look like it fits right into any aesthetic,” says Selzer.

When asked what advice he’d offer first-time buyers, Selzer says, “I would challenge homeowners, designers, and architects to think about how the structure will function in the backyard and how the homeowner will live in and use the space. Before the structure is built, consider the accessories that you’ll want — such as motorized screens, heaters, and misting systems. Then, uniquely design the pergola to meet those needs.”

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FIABCI: A Network that Works

In today’s unusual market, buyers and sellers benefit from luxury agents with international connections.

When Eugenia Foxworth tells you about the FIABCI network, one thing is immediately clear: it works.

FIABCI-USA is the U.S. chapter of the International Real Estate Federation, formed in France in 1951 (the acronym stands for Fédération Internationale des Administrateurs de Biens Conseils et Agents Immobiliers). To say that it’s been a key part of Foxworth’s business from the beginning would be an understatement.

Soon after obtaining her license in New York City in 2000, Foxworth started attending FIABCI events in the region. “As a matter of fact, one of the people responsible for my joining FIABCI was Christina Lodar, who was my Unique Homes sales associate. She asked me what did I want to accomplish in real estate? I told her that I wanted to grow my business. She told me about FIABCI and the opportunities that they offered. At that time, you needed to be sponsored. She was a FIABCI member also, and she sponsored me.”

The connections proved to be the business building blocks Foxworth needed.

Above photo: Rome – istockphoto.com / e55evu

Cover photo: London – istockphoto.com / sborisov

“FIABCI is an organization that works. As a new agent, I was amazed at all of the tools and advantages that they offered. The referral network, our sponsors, academics, our own listings on the FIABCI-USA and FIABCI-ORG website, publications with websites just geared to the luxury properties, et cetera — it was amazing. We referred clients and friends to each other. A lot of my business came from FIABCI members my first few years.”

Foxworth, who is the FIABCI-USA president-elect, isn’t the only one extolling FIABCI’s virtues. Christian Ross of Engel & Völkers Atlanta is the president of the FIABCI Southeast Council. She explains how the network has given her greater insights into markets all over the world, how she’s gained knowledge for marketing campaigns and global developments, and connected clients to potential investments. 

“For sellers, marketing to the international buyer and curating a marketing plan that targets and attracts a buyer from across the globe is essential. With that is also the knowledge of how to maximize currency exchanges, understanding the challenges of moving funds from certain countries and the geopolitical news that may affect all of those concerns,” Ross says. “For buyers, discovering and understanding how to connect them with opportunities they are exploring for international investments, as well as consulting with them to understand all aspects of their competition in the marketplace, helps them put their best foot forward.”

Hugh Gilliam, the director of International Real Estate at RealtyHive in Atlanta, is the current FIABCI-USA president. In almost 10 years, he’s gained dozens of listings through the network. When asked where he sees FIABCI going, he says the potential is unlimited.

“Our community comprises over 40 professions, including architects, brokers, developers, investors, financial institutions, and the list goes on,” Gilliam says. “In addition to expanding membership within these professions, we are adding new countries to the organization annually. This makes it very clear that the sky is the limit over the next decade.”

And Foxworth describes how even the pandemic has not impacted FIABCI’s effectiveness. “We have had many challenges throughout and we overcame the challenges,” she says. “Even at this time with COVID-19, we are continuing to do business globally. The Internet has allowed our members to work together very efficiently. The Zoom seminars and presentations are taking us to another level of selling luxury real estate, and we have several success stories.”

THIS ARTICLE ORIGINALLY APPEARED IN THE Fall 2020 ISSUE OF UNIQUE HOMES. TO SEE THE DIGITAL VERSION OF THIS STORY, CLICK HERE.

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Elite Agent: Tracy Allen

Tracy Allen

Coldwell Banker Pacific Properties

1314 S. King Street, 2nd Floor, Honolulu, HI 96814

Lic#: RS-46610 | T: 808.927.6415

Tracy@CBPacific.com | TracyAllenHawaii.com

 

Featured Property: 1516 Mokulua Drive, Lanikai Kailua, Hawaii

Coastal Island Retreat… Swim, sun and recharge from your very own oceanfront resort!  This sprawling residence situated on a spacious and beautifully manicured parcel offers a large 5-bedroom main home plus, a separate 5 bedroom + den guest house complete with its own private entrance.   Meandering tropical pathways lead you to an impressive entry complete with a cascading water feature and Koi pond.  Striking open living spaces with soaring ceilings and beautiful rich hardwood details overlook gorgeous turquoise waters and direct Mokulua island views.  The sizeable master suite offers dual baths & dressing areas, a private seaside lounge area + an adjacent home gym.   The kitchen seamlessly connects to the seaside dining room with outstanding views and is ideal for casual or grand entertaining.  This estate is perfect for extended family enjoyment, home office use + every imaginable watersport right at your back door!  This is life!

MLS: 202101216

Price: $11,895,000 FS

Main House: 5 bedrooms, 5 full + 2 half bath

Total Areas: 5,867 Sq. Ft.

Cottage: 5 bedrooms + den, 3 full + 1 half bath

Total Areas: 3,082 Sq. Ft. 

Main House + Cottage Areas: 8,949 Sq. Ft. 

Land Area: 22,314 Sq. Ft. 

Linear Ocean Frontage: 75 Linear Ft. 

Tracy Allen originally appeared as an Elite agent in the 

Unique Homes Spring ’21: Elite edition. See her other

listings here.

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Elite Agent: Jeff Leonard

Jeff Leonard — Luxury Realtor®

Advance Realty Global

3721 S. Westnedge AvenueKalamazoo, MI 49008

269.281.3954 | info@SWMIHomeSales.com | www.RavingFansTestimonials.com

Instagram: @jeffleonardrealestate

 

Listing by Jeff Leonard

PRIVATE GATED SANCTUARY IN SOUTHWEST MICHIGAN

THE IDEAL GETAWAY — Looking for the ideal getaway for your next home with quality hunting and recreation in your backyard? This is it. Enjoy 218 fenced and gated acres, a stunningly beautiful and diverse landscape, a rustic 8800sf lodge-style home, a 12+ acre private lake, over 600′ of creek frontage, a 10′ high perimeter fence, and a 5200sf multi-purpose pole barn. This self-contained resort has tremendous potential to satisfy and appeal to a large number of individual or combined interests catering to both adventurous pursuits and relaxing lifestyles. Ideal for business or personal use. 51378US131Tour.com | 51378US131.info

$2,575,000

 

 

Jeff Leonard originally appeared as an Elite agent in the Unique Homes Spring ’21: Elite edition. See his page here.

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Elite Agent: Kim Walker Chin

Kim Walker Chin, MBA, REALTOR

Coldwell Banker Realty | Serving Cambridge, Somerville, Boston & Beyond

617.817.1593 | Kwalkerchin@gmail.com | Instagram: @kimwalkerchin | Facebook: /kimwalkerchin 

Kim has a 6th sense for finding the right home or investment for her clients. She listens and pays close attention to her clients needs. Kim has a down to earth personality matched with intelligence. She will patiently guide you through the process of buying or selling your home or investment. She did her graduate undergraduate work in the area and has been a Cambridge resident since 1990.

 

Featured Property: Cambridge, MA

10 Rogers Street, Penthouse 2 | This one-of-a-kind, oversized, bi-level penthouse feels like a floating home above it all — a must-see with spectacular panoramic views of the Charles River and Boston Skyline! With two patios and every amenity, this is an incomparable indoor-outdoor entertainment experience. $3,200,000. 

 

 

Kim Walker Chin originally appeared as an Elite agent in Unique Homes Spring ’21: Elite edition. See the ad here.

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Elite Company: Churchill Properties

Churchill Properties

123 Brimbal Ave, Beverly, MA | 127 Eastern Ave, Gloucester, MA                                                                         

49 Union Street, Manchester-by-the-Sea, MA | 169 Bay Road, Hamilton, MA 01982

1.833.MOVING.9 | www.churchillprop.com

Churchill Properties is a full service residential real estate firm offering excellence in brokerage services to Boston’s North Shore communities through our offices located in Manchester-by-the-Sea and Hamilton, Mass. We are members of the elite Leading Real Estate Companies of the World network including 4100 offices and 130,000 agents in 65 countries worldwide. Our unique marketing and sales program utilizes multiple media channels and promotional activities.

 

Featured Property: Hamilton, MA

489 Bay Road | Abutting Myopia Hunt Club, horse trails and champion golf! This exquisite property, with an impressive tree lined driveway, is set on 5+ acres of beautifully manicured grounds in the epicenter of horse country. Fully renovated in 2005 (to the studs) this spectacular Colonial Farmhouse has had two major additions, seamlessly added using reclaimed beams with the highest quality of craftsmanship. New custom tiled baths, wiring, plumbing, AC, radiant heat and windows are updated. A master bedroom suite was added to the first floor and enjoys walkout access to the bluestone terrace and gardens. The great room is gorgeous, with vaulted ceilings, massive exposed beams, a 2-story stone fireplace hearth, custom built-ins and a wall of glass streaming natural light all day long. There are 2 additional sitting rooms with beamed ceilings and fireplaces. Four spacious bedrooms are on the second level including a second master suite. The carriage house includes a 2-Bedroom apt & 2-car garage$2,145,000

 

 

Churchill Properties originally appeared as an Elite company in Unique Homes Spring ’21: Elite edition. See the ad here.

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Custom Gulf-front Home in Casey Key, Florida up for Auction

With 123 feet of private beachfront away from the crowds in Casey Key, Florida, this home offers a place to get away from it all.

“It’s really rare to find a new construction home on the Gulf, and this one is built to all of the latest codes and highest standards,” says Nate Schar, Director of Luxury Real Estate for Heritage Auctions. “The home is comfortably elegant, perfect for a refined, yet casual beach life.”

The 5,335-square-foot home features a kitchen with an island, Viking range, convection ovens, and custom cabinetry; a three-stop elevator; a main-level bedroom suite with a private office, closet with a dressing room, and direct access to a full-length veranda; and an upper level with split secondary suites that each include private baths, walk-in closets, and a large living area with balcony.

“The verandas facing the water are such a peaceful place to watch the sunsets over the gulf,” says Schar. “Wide enough for a dining table, you can entertain a crowd while overlooking your own private beach.”

Additionally, the lower level offers a well-proportioned 5-car garage with storage, flex space for gym or studio, a full bath, heated saltwater pool and spa, and an outdoor kitchen.

“The home is perfect for someone looking for a place that’s very private and quiet,” says Schar “It’s close to the nightlife and culture of Sarasota and Venice, but away from the crowds.”

The home will be auctioned without reserve on March 23. Previews held by appointment.

Visit Heritage Auctions online at HA.com/CaseyKey to view due diligence and terms of sale. Financing accepted

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Featured Agent: Candice Rich of KW Domain Luxury Homes International

Candice Rich, a top-producing Realtor, an accomplished business professional, and a skilled negotiator. Her dedication to helping her clients successfully achieve all their real estate needs is proven in her results.

Organically building her business from 100 percent referrals to multi-million-dollar levels, she has developed long-lasting relationships, becoming a valued go-to real estate advisor. Her outstanding reputation has garnered her to represent many top executives, athletes, and successful families.

Prior to entering real estate, Candice was a former 20-year private practice accountant, bringing further added value to her clients.

Whether you are interested in selling your lakefront property, a luxury downtown brownstone, or a home in an exclusive suburb, she is ready to create a custom marketing plan to get your home sold at top dollar.

For an inside look into an exclusive real estate opportunity from Candice, click here.

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A Triple Threat in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

An expertly designed interior, breathtaking ravine lot, and premium locale directly across from the entrance to High Park and Grenadier Pond, complete this four-plus-one bedroom, six-bath home in Toronto, Ontario Canada.

This home perfectly suits both family and entertaining with its 4,441 square feet of living space over all levels, over 2,000 square feet of finished exterior space and four walk-outs and professional landscaping. Other features include Crestron automation, beautiful custom millwork, an elevator connecting all four levels, snow melt system, and much more.

“Visitors love the fireplace and privacy of the front patio, which overlooks High Park,” says listing agent Paul Nusca of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices West Realty, who is listing the home for $5.2 million. “This home feels like you are on a vacation and perfect for an affluent middle-aged couple.”

 

Living Room photo by James Dear, The Lighting Judge. Photos courtesy of Paul Nusca. 
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